Shoftim: The Dark Side

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16 Responses

  1. chuna says:

    Just to help, I hope…the ideas were okay, but the words chosen are not enticing. They’re too condescending and critical. Besides that, I’d be interested to see the ‘video doc’ about the human effigy.

    • Yakov Londen says:

      Took me about 90 sec. to find. You just have to type in ‘Google’ on your search bar, and then type in ‘Dark secrets of B…grove’
      – and I didn’t find it “condescending” at all. I found it real and raw.

  2. aline goodman says:

    what a thought provoking article that makes us really think about the “dark side” and what it really means …..and its’ significance in our everyday lives.

  3. yoel c.sussman says:

    where does he say this? OORAH how do you permitt this to go under your name?? Orrah wake up watch your ourput

    • Yakov Londen says:


      I happen to have seen where he says it. It’s in his sefer called Ma-yun Bais Ha-shoayvuh, by he splitting of the Reed Sea. which, raises the question, why would you, instead of just politely asking from the humility of not knowing, ask attackingly, as if you know better. Just ask, “That’s interesting, where can I look it up? What’s really bothering you?

    • Y.schwab says:

      About 11 years ago I had an embarrassing experience in front of about 70 peers, which taught me an important life lesson which I never forgot, and hence, have never yet repeated that mistake.

      Like most people just out of collage and/or business school, particularly if it’s one of the better ones, I felt smugly confident, and hence in a position to challenge others, particularly, in this story, even when one of those ‘others’ had 20 years, or so, on me in the business. He, Dustin, had just explained an insight in money management to a room of about 70 of us. Being that the great I had never heard/learned that insight, I smugly responded, “Where did you get that from??” and thought to myself something like: ‘JP Morgan, watch your output!’ Dustin, holding the podium tightly on either side looked down at the podium with very tightly pierced lips for about 7-10 seconds while he collected his posture of response, and then, very calmly and politely, gave me quite the schooling – stuff I had never learned in school. I then learned the lesson that no matter how qualified I feel, it’s much more wise, and humble, and less potentially embarrassing for myself to simply, humbly, ask ‘Hey, that’s new, and interesting. I’ve never known that. Can you elaborate?,’ and/or, …where can I look it up?’

      About six months later, at the next regional meeting I want to Dustin before the meeting started and both apologized and thanked him for this life lesson. He smiled and said, “You’re a really bright kid. Just pass the lesson forward one day.” So I am.

      And for the record….

      Just as the fellow before cited correctly for you, it’s found (amongst other places in his writings, and in private conversations with him) by the splitting of the Red Sea in his book – cited above.

      And also, I’m just curious (sincerely, I’m not being sarcastic here) what changes if it’s recorded in chapter A, or B or C, or D?? Does something change about the concept depending on which chapter it appears?

      Also, Mr. Londen, if you’re reading this, although the correct spelling in English is the RED sea, you’re actually technically correct calling it the ‘REED sea,’ because the sea is not, of course, red, but it is full of reeds, and hence the Torah name of this sea, the ‘yam zoof’, means the reed sea – ‘zoof’ means reeds.

  4. Vania Melamed says:

    This wasn’t academically written, which made it tedious to follow and a downright shame for the article, because contextually, this article is really insightful. I didn’t find anything about the article offensive, and as Jews we should embrace any interpretations – so long as it’s in accordance with G-D and Torah teaching – as part of what makes Jews an enduring people. If we look at the news today – I mean REAL news – you’ll see that 99.99% of death and intolerance is caused by practitioners of Islam, the real dark place into which a gentile soul – or even a wayward, ignorant Jewish soul – can descend. While this interpretation of shoftim may seem foreign to most of us, this is, in fact, the void of reform Judaism, the void of Islam which is overtaking the world, and the void, or dark place, of desperation to be altruistic about the correlation between Islam’s rise and complacent, reform Judaism. Because irreligious Judaism is the most pervasive type of “practiced” (tongue in cheek, I say) Judaism in America, it has become the practice we are best known by. It’s depressing to hear from fellow Jews that they don’t know they need to cover their hair, or that they think Torah is just a symbol of their people. But more depressing is that the political views of most Jews in America and in the West shape their views of Judaism, not the other way around, so that they are more likely to tacitly welcome the spread of this dark space into America, in the name of some G-D-less secular compassion, and be overcome by the dark intolerance and death-preoccupied Islam before he realizes what has happened. That is the parallel I see, in this poorly written piece. Perhaps we see what we want to see, but it’s irrefutable that the void is none other than the misguided “compassion” which allows darkness and death-worshipping evil to spread.

    • Mister Srully says:


      I find that “academically written” articles are the ones that are tedious and difficult to follow.

  5. Dr Bleyden says:

    gibberish from a depressed person ,conveluted logic poorly written .Its not for OORAH this quality

    • Y.schwab says:

      Like most every other kid in America, I had to read ‘Catcher In The Rye.” I found the first 10-15 pages interesting as it set up the context of his feelings, and then expected, and waited for a plot to unfold. Well, if you’ve ever read ‘Catcher In The Rye’ you know that that never happens. He just goes on and on moaning, complaining, and figuring out nothing about himself, or life in general. I became increasingly bored until it was grueling to continue to read, but of course I had to, so I laboriously turned the pages, and thought to myself ‘that’s probably the worst written book ever.’ I told that to Mrs Pepperstien, head of the literature department, and she smiled and said “I actually felt the same way, but here’s what you have to understand about why this book is considered one of the BEST books ever written, – because it’s not talking to you, your demographic. There were when it was written, and still are millions and millions of young adults out there who identified fiercely with this book. They are also lost, trying to ‘find themselves’ – disenchanted with the world- disconnected. It doesn’t resonate with you fortunately, but it does with millions of other kids”
      So I learned that it’s silly to put down J.D. Salinger (the author) just because his style, and target demographic, wasn’t mine.
      As you see from the other positive comments here, others find the writing quite good and engaging. To be fair to you, I know from past feedback of my other writings that it resonates more with younger people who like things straight forward, real and raw. So no hard feelings.

      And re: “Convoluted logic” and ‘must be a “depressed person” well.. if you feel that way it means that you just have to read more. Ironically, I too used to feel quite that way when I first learned these insights, but then I started reading, and learned that the truths CAN be depressing, without a Torah defense, and not at all the way we would naturally ‘logically’ assume them to be. So we use to agree – ironicaly.

    • Mister Srully says:

      Hey doc,

      Maybe learn how to spell “convoluted” before diagnosing other people’s supposed problems.

  6. Tammy g says:

    This article is very thought provoking and insightful. The style of writing helps one understand the concepts in an easier way. Please continue sharing these ideas with us.

  7. Miriam says:

    written in a dramatic way, yet the thoughts are interesting and insightful and even somewhat refreshing.

  8. Debrah Shoshan says:

    Fantastically engaging. The nay sayers are probably life time nay sayers.

  9. Mister Srully says:

    My only comments on the writing style are

    (a) “Amongst”? Ugh. No one uses this word in speech. Why continue to use it in writing? Write “among.” And

    (b) “What is taharah?” Taharah man dekar shemei?

  10. mr. lipman says:


    ARE SO insecure about our lives that we cannot bear the thought of their being a Dark Side to the world?

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